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cliff. >> we can't sit here and try to figure out what works for them. >> we look forward to the time when they are specific. >> they need to be more specific. >> they have to be willing to come to the table with specifics. >> we've not had any discussion and specifics with this president about the real problem. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> i will not play that game. >> further apart than ever. you've heard endless arguing about higher taxes on the rich. let's set that aside and talk about the sequester the budget wonk word for a thing that will touch every american. $1.2 trillion in automatic budget cuts over the next decade, 100 billion next year alone, half in defense and half in non-defense, defense programs cut by 9.4% across the board and non-defense programs 8.2%. agencies are being told to identify the cuts. how will you feel them? fewer food inspections are likely. cdc budget cuts could make it harder to track food bo
cliff. >> we can't sit here and try to figure out what works for them. >> we look forward to the time when they are specific. >> they need to be more specific. >> they have to be willing to come to the table with specifics. >> we've not had any discussion and specifics with this president about the real problem. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> i will not play that game. >> further...
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all right, the fiscal cliff and something only congress can do that we have lou dobbs easy with us now. it is actually a good comedy. the nero reference is wrong. all the drama here. is it a shakespearean play? lou: i mean, hands flailing -- many of the sentences that attached to the one that preceded. it is great political theater if you like farce. that is what we are witnessing here. the house speaker today saying that at least at the end of the day, we have some serious problems and that he and the president are separated by the seris problems. as if this were a newsflash for the international news media. we have some problems, and they are going to start on the first of january. it is pretty clear that the president wants to go over the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner, i think, is right to say that your ultimatum. you eat it, it's your deal. we will let it all play out. tracy: deep into the root of all this is political discorin general. but all everyone thinks about is the next vote. speaker boehner thinking about his reelection. no one is thinking about the bigger cause. it is rea
all right, the fiscal cliff and something only congress can do that we have lou dobbs easy with us now. it is actually a good comedy. the nero reference is wrong. all the drama here. is it a shakespearean play? lou: i mean, hands flailing -- many of the sentences that attached to the one that preceded. it is great political theater if you like farce. that is what we are witnessing here. the house speaker today saying that at least at the end of the day, we have some serious problems and that he...
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. >> dana: i have something also about the fiscal cliff. something you haven't heard about is rural america is under threat from a major raise in taxes. death and state taxes. throw up the map. senator from wyoming put this out. 526,421 family farms threatened by the new death tax. mostly because assets are tied up in land. you're land rich and cash poor. this hurts a lot of people. >> greg: this plays in the old phrase buying the farm. >> dana: it plays in something i want to tease for friday, which is i am -- i got to buy the farm. get it. think we haven't heard that. >> bob: promote something? >> dana: on friday, tomorrow i'm going to vegas and i'm going to the national rodeo -- the national finals rodeo sponsored by wrangler. i went last year and i got to interview the rodeo queen. the new rodeo queen this year and talk to a few other people and chance to go to the rodeo and see my family. >> eric: that's nice. >> dana: that's it? "that's nice." >> kimberly: it sundays fun. you know how to ride a horse. >> bob: ride a bull. >> dana: we
. >> dana: i have something also about the fiscal cliff. something you haven't heard about is rural america is under threat from a major raise in taxes. death and state taxes. throw up the map. senator from wyoming put this out. 526,421 family farms threatened by the new death tax. mostly because assets are tied up in land. you're land rich and cash poor. this hurts a lot of people. >> greg: this plays in the old phrase buying the farm. >> dana: it plays in something i want to...
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the practical side those members not at the table negotiating things like the fiscal cliff and the role is something to vote on and so getting back to their districts, some of them say to you having a chance to talk with voters at home is valuable. many of them have fairly packed schedules for events at home but then you have to weigh it against the appearance of people leaving the capitol and does that suggest to people at home they aren't really as nose to the grindstone as they might be? it's an eye of the beholder moment and when you talk about a lame duck congress, here we are with many of these members waiting to have their new colleagues come in this january and tackle some of the big problems and looming deadlines. how do they shake it snout over time we have seen that the lake duck sessions are sometimes not very productive. not a lot going on. but we're certainly heavily focused on it in the last couple of weeks because of the huge problems that need to be tackled. one of the big issues is anybody really talking about what to do with the fiscal cliff other than news conference
the practical side those members not at the table negotiating things like the fiscal cliff and the role is something to vote on and so getting back to their districts, some of them say to you having a chance to talk with voters at home is valuable. many of them have fairly packed schedules for events at home but then you have to weigh it against the appearance of people leaving the capitol and does that suggest to people at home they aren't really as nose to the grindstone as they might be?...
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i think we are coming up again at the end of the year, people looking at the fiscal cliff situation and everyday we get something different coming out of washington today, disagreement. tomorrow it could be sounds like talks are progressing. we can see things slip around staying in this broad range across a series of markets and i think he will continue to see that until yo they get some kinf definitive answer and direction out of d.c. we will go from economic standpoint and getting money to work in the most efficient way. liz: good to see you gentlemen, thank you very much. never gets boring around here on fox business lackluster retail sales from the fed announcement yesterday turning on the stick is beginning next month painted the market red leaving me wondering if high investors, the smart money might be changing their investment strategy. we thought we would bring in, millions of dollars, they want to see the money grow. joining us in a fox business exclusive. you seem like a very measured person, that is why you have a lot of wealthy clients because you must do well for them. aft
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then it was the fiscal cliff. there is always something out there holding companies back. i think this means this is the new normal. we have a distrust of washington. we are not sure the economy will get better and it's kinds of every man for himself. alisyn: thanks so much. the economy is the focus of a debate in michigan where an historic employment bill is about to become law. mike tow tobin is live from chicago. >> reporter: the point republicans are trying to sell is this does not target collective bargaining. all the legislation does according to republicans is make optional union dues and union membership for everyone other than police and firefighters. union members say it attacks their foundation and in all places, michigan, the cradle of organized labor. >> you will have people that will be working right alongside of you that will not have to pay union dues that you pay union dues but will still be able to get all the benefits from being a union member. >> reporter: unlike the drawnout labor standoffs we have seen. this moved rapidly through the legislature durin
then it was the fiscal cliff. there is always something out there holding companies back. i think this means this is the new normal. we have a distrust of washington. we are not sure the economy will get better and it's kinds of every man for himself. alisyn: thanks so much. the economy is the focus of a debate in michigan where an historic employment bill is about to become law. mike tow tobin is live from chicago. >> reporter: the point republicans are trying to sell is this does not...
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the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you looked at each approach, what do you see in that? >> well, i think it's important. i think the reporting has been a little weak on the republ
the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding...
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have a great weekend, everyone. >> john: another weekend no, deal on the fiscal cliff. how close one is depends on whom you believe. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> john: good evening. i'm john roberts in for bret baier this evening. deadlock, gridlock, stalemate, whatever you call it. most people in washington seem to think we are there. we have just four more weekends to go before america goes over the most talked about piece ovate i of real estn the world, the fiscal cliff. ed henry tells us not everyone is pessimistic. >> reporter: literally snapping his fingers, vice president joe biden today suggested it will be easy to finish a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> it would take 15 minutes from the time the decision is made by the speaker of the house to pass and make permanent middle class tax cut. the president would probably have me sprint up to the hill to bring the bill down for him to sign. it can be done like that. it is not complicated. >> greg: speaker bane -- >> reporter: speaker john boehner not so optimistic. >> this is not a progress
have a great weekend, everyone. >> john: another weekend no, deal on the fiscal cliff. how close one is depends on whom you believe. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> john: good evening. i'm john roberts in for bret baier this evening. deadlock, gridlock, stalemate, whatever you call it. most people in washington seem to think we are there. we have just four more weekends to go before america goes over the most talked about piece ovate i of real estn the world, the...
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fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, children laughing ] move to the country, d live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. often comes with a set of equally impressive instructions ? shouldn't something that's
fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they...
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you had to deal with the bad republican hand on the fiscal cliff now for better part of a month. this is something to look forward to. that you have two republicans leading the party of this stature and capability. who are movement conservatives in the sense they're both intellectuals. to get these issues viscerally this is something to put you in a good mood. >> bret: rubio talked about the middle class. ryan talked about lifting people out of poverty. different messages than we heard on the campaign trail this past year. >> rub row also seemed to be sort of disagreeing with mitt romney's argument a little bit. the 47% people who just want hand-outs. kind of a thing. which he disagreed with before. it's interesting because i think it's reprehensible message. i also, i wonder where jeb bush fits in to this also. i can't speak to that since i'm not a conservative but i think he would be one of leading contenders along with these two gentlemen. >> charles? >> i share steve's optimism. we are looking at the future of the party. generational change. the goldwater republicans and the
you had to deal with the bad republican hand on the fiscal cliff now for better part of a month. this is something to look forward to. that you have two republicans leading the party of this stature and capability. who are movement conservatives in the sense they're both intellectuals. to get these issues viscerally this is something to put you in a good mood. >> bret: rubio talked about the middle class. ryan talked about lifting people out of poverty. different messages than we heard on...
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i don't think that president obama or the republicans want us to go over the fiscal cliff. >> jamie: angela, when i have you guys on, i want to learn a little something myself. we have a lot of new members that are going to be seated after the first of the year. so, if they come up with some partial solution, let's say, what's the impact, angela, of us having new members of congress seating into this di decision making process. is it hurtful or beneficial? >> it's always beneficial, i always think that new minds are great to come to the table to give new ideas. what we have have to stop down is putting a bandaid on it and kicking it down the road. we need true me form or we'll be talking about this a year from now. >> jamie: doug, a prediction, going over? >> i don't think so. but you bring up a good point member about the 90 house members who are going to leave and more political incentive to do it now, because with new members, they're going to have to go through the debate again. >> jamie: thank you, guys. always a great discussion, always is. and our own chris wallace has an excl
i don't think that president obama or the republicans want us to go over the fiscal cliff. >> jamie: angela, when i have you guys on, i want to learn a little something myself. we have a lot of new members that are going to be seated after the first of the year. so, if they come up with some partial solution, let's say, what's the impact, angela, of us having new members of congress seating into this di decision making process. is it hurtful or beneficial? >> it's always beneficial,...
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. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four points above fair value. the s&p 500 at the moment is around about four points above fair value. european stocks are up half a percent earlier. we have come off those highs. eurozone pmis a little bit better than expected. but still deeply in contraction territory. uk services pmis dipped weaker than expected. the ftse up a quarter a percent. the ibex up around .2. also dragged down by disappointing retail sales. that's where we stand right now ahead of the u.s. o
. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks,...
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like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes or no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas if they're not really trying to work together there are three business channels four and twenty four hours a day and it's good news nothing else is happening we're already caught in one so we move on and we just talk about the fiscal cliff correct always care every body everybody in their system even though nothing's really going to change because the economy sucks anyway oh i think it'll change i just don't think they're going to i think about whether or not americans are worried about the fiscal cliff the bottom line is the media is milking the crap out of the fray while realistically nothing dr
like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes or no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas if...
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ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support them. >>> and "the daily show's" jon stewart says maybe we should go off the fiscal cliff. >> back and forth of offers. it's pretty clear the republicans aren't going to come to the table with anything reasonable. i'll be the one to say it, i know it will be disastrous and doom our economy for years to come, let's go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> all right. that's going to wrap things up for me today. thanks for your time. see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 e
ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support...
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the fiscal cliff was meant to be something nobody wanted to go another and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out and come up with a reasonable compromise that keeps our economy growing and gives us certainty about the future so that we can make our plans as business leaders. >> welcome back to the special edition of the "closing bell." dupont stock on the move. 1.5% higher in the after-hours trading session coming on the heels of the news that the chemical giant will issue a $1 billion buyback program and updating its 2012 guidance to the top of the range. chairman and ceo ellen coleman joins me now in a cnbc exclusive. thanks for joining us. >> great to see you as well. >> let me start with the announcement on the share buyback. all we talk about is the idea that taxes are probably going to go higher. you've got dividend taxes probably going to go higher in 2013 as well as capital gains taxes. what motivated a buyback versus a -- a larger dividend or a special dividend as we've been hearing from so many companies today trying to get ah
the fiscal cliff was meant to be something nobody wanted to go another and here we are about to go off it. we really need our elected officials to figure this out and come up with a reasonable compromise that keeps our economy growing and gives us certainty about the future so that we can make our plans as business leaders. >> welcome back to the special edition of the "closing bell." dupont stock on the move. 1.5% higher in the after-hours trading session coming on the heels of...
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cliff negotiations that. is something that the republicans have to deal with. and i think the republicans and making sure that the debt ceiling is extended for a long time because the one thing that could hurt the economy even more than going off some curb or cliff or slope is if we had a rep tilgs of the debt ceiling battle that we had in 2011. >> so in your view right now, you think that we're past -- potentially past the tax reform question? it's about not the stimulus money but the debt ceiling negotiation and it's important because many communities are not impacted by private sector job growth and need the public sector jobs that the stimulus would bring. >> yes. i think that, you know, you can't declare something done until it's done. but i think all of the signals you're getting from the republicans is that they realize that the last thing they need to be doing right now is to look like they are holding up middle class tax cuts to protect tax cuts for the very wealthy. that's not where they want to be
cliff negotiations that. is something that the republicans have to deal with. and i think the republicans and making sure that the debt ceiling is extended for a long time because the one thing that could hurt the economy even more than going off some curb or cliff or slope is if we had a rep tilgs of the debt ceiling battle that we had in 2011. >> so in your view right now, you think that we're past -- potentially past the tax reform question? it's about not the stimulus money but the...
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i think the fiscal cliff is this false deadline. this is a crisis that is entirely created by congress and the president. you pick the right four things. the amt, unemployment, extended benefits, and i think there is a little more wiggle room on that one, but it is an issue, and the state tax. these things are critical. they have to be done. they will have to make some sort of decision as to what to do on the sequester and tax policy. my recommendation would be they simply extend all current policy with regard to those two. they are running out of time. hawaii shortly. it is not the time to go through complex policy issues because you will give them the short shrift. they should accept them. -- they should extend to them for some period of time like them the more hard deadlines when issues need to be addressed. these are strongly agreed to by partisan issues, raise the retirement age for medicare. take care of reducing subsidies and medicare by testing premiums, at a premium for part a. then there is further means testing that could
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from republicans which are these tax cuts. >> rose: if they go off the fiscal cliff they do not reach a negotiation, a compromise by december 31st, who does the whitehouse think will get the blame? >> well i think it's not just the whitehouse charlie. the whitehouse and republicans are ultimately going to be blamed for this and that's why you're starting to see some fissures amongst republican rank and file you had today 40 house republicans signing a letter and saying they think all options should be on the table, including tax cuts and entitlements. it doesn't seem to be moving. house speaker john baron. but what it could ultimately do is start to lay the ground work for providing him cover to be able to back of of off his insistence they're not going to raise rates on top earners. what that letter shows i think that republicans are acknowledging that the president does have the leverage in these negotiations. over the summer privately republicans their aides were saying they didn't think the president would let it get to that point. he's chaffed because that's what she's shown to d
from republicans which are these tax cuts. >> rose: if they go off the fiscal cliff they do not reach a negotiation, a compromise by december 31st, who does the whitehouse think will get the blame? >> well i think it's not just the whitehouse charlie. the whitehouse and republicans are ultimately going to be blamed for this and that's why you're starting to see some fissures amongst republican rank and file you had today 40 house republicans signing a letter and saying they think...
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is the fiscal cliff really a fiscal slope. a downward spiral to something much worse. the possibility of going off the cliff is just 22 days away, and it sounds pretty ominous, but it could be a walk in the part compared with what could happen if lawmakers don't take a closer look at our bigger debt picture and soon. because what they're talking about is peanuts. president obama was in michigan today pushing his fiscal cliff plan. he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it all together, what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class familiefamilies, w some tough spending cuts on things we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> but not so fast, mr. president. we need a little more than you're talking about. president obama says his plan reduces the deficit by $4 trillion over ten years. forget the fact it counts war savings which shouldn't count. let's go with the $4 trillion. john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nu
is the fiscal cliff really a fiscal slope. a downward spiral to something much worse. the possibility of going off the cliff is just 22 days away, and it sounds pretty ominous, but it could be a walk in the part compared with what could happen if lawmakers don't take a closer look at our bigger debt picture and soon. because what they're talking about is peanuts. president obama was in michigan today pushing his fiscal cliff plan. he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it...
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the potential of a debt ceiling crisis again in january, as soon as january, the fiscal cliff, the payroll tax extension, the unemployment, long-term unemployment benefits which woulds also expire if they do nothing, they will do something, but there's so much uncertainty, a lot of pent up demand and hiring that could give us a real spurt if this thing gets resolved in a good way? >> i think there is. in fact, there's a few interesting signs inside this report of exactly that. if you look at the industries that sell mostly to consumers like retail trade, like leisure and hospitality, they had very big gains in jobs in last month and the month before that. that suggests that consumers themselves are not thinking much about the fiscal cliff or letting it affect their plans. but the industries that deal a lot with businesses, those, for example, that produce machinery, other long lived durable goods, those in construction, might be building houses or office buildings, they're laying people off. if we end up going over the cliff it's hard to believe that consumer confidence will hang in there
the potential of a debt ceiling crisis again in january, as soon as january, the fiscal cliff, the payroll tax extension, the unemployment, long-term unemployment benefits which woulds also expire if they do nothing, they will do something, but there's so much uncertainty, a lot of pent up demand and hiring that could give us a real spurt if this thing gets resolved in a good way? >> i think there is. in fact, there's a few interesting signs inside this report of exactly that. if you look...
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wall street is keeping a close eye on fiscal cliff talks. mcdonald's is up. apple and aig down. we should mention that today it's expected to be one of the busiest online shopping days of the holiday season as you get in those last times to get deals in so that you know for sure it gets there by christmas. >>> well, for a deal already rejected with by congress, oh, yeah, there's the music, it may be unusual that we still hear so much about the simpson-bowles plan. it's a plan no one will vote on. it's come to represent what could have been. today a deep dive into the elusive grand bargain captured in the simpson-bowles plan. first the outlines of a deal between president obama and speaker boehner. as we've told you, you take the two positions we're looking at between $800 billion and $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue. enough savings to hold off the sequester. compare that to the simpson-bowles proposal and you'll see a big difference. as a starting point the plan would allow the bush tax cuts to expire for everybody. it proposes tax reform that would produce another trillion in t
wall street is keeping a close eye on fiscal cliff talks. mcdonald's is up. apple and aig down. we should mention that today it's expected to be one of the busiest online shopping days of the holiday season as you get in those last times to get deals in so that you know for sure it gets there by christmas. >>> well, for a deal already rejected with by congress, oh, yeah, there's the music, it may be unusual that we still hear so much about the simpson-bowles plan. it's a plan no one...
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wealthy taxpayers are maximizing donations ahead of the fiscal cliff. president obama told business leaders it won't being eliminated but they're still talking about it. according to "the wall street journal" fidelity's charitable gift fund brought in 1.2 billion in the first nine months of the year. that is up more than 60% from last year. i know. people are giving. charitiessare even getting in the mix. they're ramping up collection efforts going into the end of the year. ashley: bet they are. tracy: you say what you want how philanthropic we are, it is all about the tax deduction. you take it away, it is a lot about the tax deduction. you take it away, there will be a lot of charities that are --. ashley: i'm cynical. but i agree. of course. >>> ibm hoping to save millions of dollars by changing its 401(k) contributions. how much does it cost the employees though? gerri willis is here on that story next. tracy: as we head out to break, the dow is up 55 points. look at some winners and losers on the s&p 500. avon calling up 5.6%. and genworth financia
wealthy taxpayers are maximizing donations ahead of the fiscal cliff. president obama told business leaders it won't being eliminated but they're still talking about it. according to "the wall street journal" fidelity's charitable gift fund brought in 1.2 billion in the first nine months of the year. that is up more than 60% from last year. i know. people are giving. charitiessare even getting in the mix. they're ramping up collection efforts going into the end of the year. ashley:...
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. >> something on all of our minds is the fiscal cliff. i would be remiss if i did not ask you both to weigh in on it in the following way. first, what is going on that we do not understand? number two, what should happen? number 3, what is the rsc going to do to help us get to that sector state, and what should happen? either of you want to chime in on that? >> first of all, if you look at where we are right now, and because of a number of reasons, a few of them going back to the last debt ceiling bill -- i did not vote for the budget control act, and because it did not address the real problem, and that is spending. if you look at the debate, it is mostly a debate about how much in taxes to raise, and the president keeps moving the goal post. he keeps adding more to it. he has an insatiable appetite to spend money and attack other people for it. we are not talking about addressing the real problem. i do not think anybody's taxes should go up. barack obama said three years ago, if you raise taxes in a bad economy, it will make things wors
. >> something on all of our minds is the fiscal cliff. i would be remiss if i did not ask you both to weigh in on it in the following way. first, what is going on that we do not understand? number two, what should happen? number 3, what is the rsc going to do to help us get to that sector state, and what should happen? either of you want to chime in on that? >> first of all, if you look at where we are right now, and because of a number of reasons, a few of them going back to the...
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second, there is that fiscal cliff. it does not appear that we will see something here. that will be positive and significant. there is a billion-dollar number that is key. the revenue side, that is the key number. how do you get to that number? >> $600 billion? >> wasn't that the number two summers ago in 2011? >> i do not think so. you need the white house? >> yeah. >> we have a minute left. anyone else? >> i do not think we need to argue about the cbo right now for all the reasons we talked about. the outcomes of these experiments are uncertain. cbo cannot buy in before it knows the evidence. i strongly support what he said about leadership. this is a moment for a huge opportunity. the president needs to lead and the leaders of congress need to sit down and work this thing out. it is not that hard. we need to do it. other countries do it. we can do it. there is no reason why we should miss this huge opportunity to stabilize our that and in the -- stabilize our debt and in the process over the next few months to reform the health care system gradually and our tax code
second, there is that fiscal cliff. it does not appear that we will see something here. that will be positive and significant. there is a billion-dollar number that is key. the revenue side, that is the key number. how do you get to that number? >> $600 billion? >> wasn't that the number two summers ago in 2011? >> i do not think so. you need the white house? >> yeah. >> we have a minute left. anyone else? >> i do not think we need to argue about the cbo...
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cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's some confusion about who the qua
cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks...
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liz: two employees doing something like this today, the fiscal cliff, you know, maybe that's the reason there was not as much interest. do you see like that or perhaps why you had to cup the price cup, 15 range to $8. >> i personally thing it's overblown. i don't think it's the reason why we had to take the reduction in the price. it's purely just before the fact that everybody's been built so badly with anything associated with solar, and it is -- liz: solyndra all the other problems. >> general manufacturing publicly traded companies. every time they made the bet, and they've lost, the last three years, and then you go to them again saying this time it's a different bet. no, this is the right bet. they want to make sure it's the right bet. liz: the fiscal cliff, did it play into why solar city cut its price? >> i think it was a minor factor. i think the larger factor is that -- is that investors looking at the ipo, the last ipos invested in, are all underwater. the bankers said the only company that's trading above the ipo price is tesla so it's tough when somebody has heard a story w
liz: two employees doing something like this today, the fiscal cliff, you know, maybe that's the reason there was not as much interest. do you see like that or perhaps why you had to cup the price cup, 15 range to $8. >> i personally thing it's overblown. i don't think it's the reason why we had to take the reduction in the price. it's purely just before the fact that everybody's been built so badly with anything associated with solar, and it is -- liz: solyndra all the other problems....
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something we were talking a lot about and stopped because the fiscal cliff insanity. that is. >> europe. europe has the potential to unravel this is not a decade-long agenda, this is actually within a year maybe, i don't know. it has the possibility of breaking apart, having a severe recession that will impact the u.s. economy and that made all this momentum that we are hopefully starting to see in the u.s. economy. liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the potential effect on our money, should we not be focusing on these other issues and somehow bulletproof our investments as it pertains to each one of these concerns. we talk about doubling up. >> we should make pay more attention to europe. the attention we're paying to the fiscal cliff is not actually productive. in fact, it is leading to polarization of positions that have to be negotiated in private, and the lesson here from washington, the better i like the fiscal cliff. liz: the talks were secret today. >> might notice the financial markets are not actually very volatile in response t
something we were talking a lot about and stopped because the fiscal cliff insanity. that is. >> europe. europe has the potential to unravel this is not a decade-long agenda, this is actually within a year maybe, i don't know. it has the possibility of breaking apart, having a severe recession that will impact the u.s. economy and that made all this momentum that we are hopefully starting to see in the u.s. economy. liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the...
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when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us. >> what you risk about allowing them to fight with each other is going over the fiscal cliff and plunging us into another recession. when i say put gas on the fire, we cannot sit here and wait for them to self-destruct. it does not get the job done in washington. what gets the job in washington is standing up loud and proud and look at what they're doing to us. if we don't do that, we will squander another opportunity to show the american people that democrats are doing what is right for the working class in this country, and republicans are standing in the way to protect the tax cuts-- >> and that's the democrat's
when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us....
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know that at the end of this month and we're right at the fiscal cliff and we look at john boehner and you're right, he did give up revenue. he said okay. i'm going to cave on that. we'll raise revenue. but the president has been absolutely adamant, i'm not budging unless the top 2% pay a higher rate. not just revenue, a higher rate. >> the top 2% will pay higher taxes because of the revenue rates that we will raise without raising the tax rates. once you raise the tax rates, they become permanent. you can't change them. it will be almost impossible to change them and of course, that affects, like i say, almost a million small businesses and about 700,000 jobs. that's what the american people aren't getting from the debate on this subject. frankly, it is a bait and switch because the president has put out a plan that even democrats won't support that literally will not work, that literal israeli going to cause even more spending than we have right now, and put us even more than the 16 trail, $300 billion debt that we're incurring, going up every day. >> steve: senator, for generations,
know that at the end of this month and we're right at the fiscal cliff and we look at john boehner and you're right, he did give up revenue. he said okay. i'm going to cave on that. we'll raise revenue. but the president has been absolutely adamant, i'm not budging unless the top 2% pay a higher rate. not just revenue, a higher rate. >> the top 2% will pay higher taxes because of the revenue rates that we will raise without raising the tax rates. once you raise the tax rates, they become...
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the fiscal cliff is something that we need to go over, that way we can enhance our military to special forces and get us some better weaponry. lose the people who are vacationing in all of these foreign countries, limiting the military to doing what it absolutely has to do. host: you are probably the fourth person here who has said we should go over the cliff. the headline from november in "the financial times" was that the fall in consumption would be $200 billion if we go over the cliff. that the u.s. consumer is crucial to growth, they went on to say, because it made up 70% of gdp. some are predicting a recession, a downgrade of our rating for the country. you think it would be ok to go over the cliff? caller: put it this way. only in the last 2000 years of human existence, every time a country goes above 20% tax rate, they failed. rome, babylon. go throughout human history. we are saying it is a 50% tax rate now. what about an 80% tax rate? we cannot survive as a government entity by having so many man hires attached to the host. host: another item attached to the table for debate
the fiscal cliff is something that we need to go over, that way we can enhance our military to special forces and get us some better weaponry. lose the people who are vacationing in all of these foreign countries, limiting the military to doing what it absolutely has to do. host: you are probably the fourth person here who has said we should go over the cliff. the headline from november in "the financial times" was that the fall in consumption would be $200 billion if we go over the...
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and almost no one is paying attention to ias we focus on the fiscal cliff and what will be an agreement, ifs reached, at'll amou to something in the neighborhood of a couple trillion dollars >> and the forced union states are lookg for tte feral vernment to bail them out. but more important than that, the dems, the decrats don't want to lose the forced union states -- lou: well, i'm not talking about the fored union states now, i'm talking about every state in the union. and theact is that we're talking about unfunded ppnsion liabilities of $4 trillion, mallory. and -- >> but much worse in t forced unions. lou: excuse me, if i may finish. >> i'm sorry. lou: $4 trilliothat no one is paying attention to, how will it be resolved? >> it's tough to resolve, but it's much worse. e point i was trying to make is it' much worse the forced uniin states, much worse. it's almost double. that's one of the issues. we're going to have a big problem resolving that. it's going to be a major proem with services that are absolutely necessary not being able to ke up because of all these pensns that are nde
and almost no one is paying attention to ias we focus on the fiscal cliff and what will be an agreement, ifs reached, at'll amou to something in the neighborhood of a couple trillion dollars >> and the forced union states are lookg for tte feral vernment to bail them out. but more important than that, the dems, the decrats don't want to lose the forced union states -- lou: well, i'm not talking about the fored union states now, i'm talking about every state in the union. and theact is...
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like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom that and the media loves that yeah do you think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas people fall into a trip when it comes to reelecting. people that don't do their job. which is all of them you know in a word yes yes they're much more concerned with their own agendas and their own you know ties that they were already got there used to be there was a thought at one time that the incumbent should never be reelected and it doesn't mean anyone at the top or the bottom and should be everyone should have one term and that's it if they're not really trying to work together three business channels or in twenty four hours a day and it's good news nothing else is happening we alread
like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom that and the media loves that yeah do you think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal...